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Dougie’s Friday mailbag (Joshua-Wilder posturing, next for GGG, Hurd and Marciano)

UPCMOING FIGHTS AND MYTHICAL MATCHUPS

Hey Doug, one other nice matchup simply obtained booked between Joseph Diaz and Gary Russell, supporting the good mild heavyweight combat between Badou Jack and Adonis Stevenson. I’m actually excited for this card and am personally feeling Jo Jo and Adonis, offering age hasn’t caught up with the latter. I believe that highly effective left cross goes to peirce Jack’s gaurd and damage him actual unhealthy. Jack’s changed into an excellent fighter although so he shouldn’t be counted out. Who are you selecting?

Also, do you assume GGG continues to be going to finish up preventing in May? If you might be certain that he obtained to combat two of those 5 opponents, who would you select: Saunders, Derevianchenko, Charlo, Ramirez, or Jacobs 2?

Lastly, the republished Best I’ve Faced article obtained me to return and watch Hagler vs Duran once more, a reasonably underrated combat in my view. It was wonderful how simply as Marvin stated within the article, Duran was capable of time his jab and beat him to the punch with the straight proper. Marvin made changes although and he clearly gained the combat. However, the actual fact Duran fought so competitively with the middleweight legend over 15 rounds I believe makes the combat considered one of his biggest performances, regardless of shedding. I believe Marvin actually respects Duran for stepping as much as face him earlier than different stars of the period, and doing so at fairly a dimension drawback, which was fairly stark within the ring.

Mythical Matchups:

Kid Chocolate vs Hands of Stone

De La Hoya vs Palomino

Tommy Hearns vs Roy Jones

Sweet Pea vs Homicide Hank

The Mighty Atom vs Chocolatito

Thanks. – Jack

I’ll go along with Duran by shut resolution in a sensational contest, De La Hoya through shut, perhaps majority resolution (if the combat is scheduled for 12 rounds; I favor Palomino by shut resolution if it’s a 15 rounder), Jones by mid-rounds stoppage (at 160, by late-rounds TKO at 168 kilos; Hearns by resolution at 175 kilos), Armstrong by competitive-but-clear resolution, and Wilde by late stoppage (particularly if the combat is scheduled for greater than 12 rounds).

Duran (left) challenged Hagler (proper) for the middleweight championship in1983. Photo / THE RING

Duran was masterful towards The Marvelous One. He was so nice that he might placed on grasp courses (that had been additionally entertaining) through the 1980s when he was far previous his prime, and a few of his losses (to Hagler and Hagler’s half-brother Robbie Sims) throughout this obese and inconsistent interval of his profession had been simply as compelling as his victories (vs. Pipino Cuevas, Davey Moore and Iran Barkley). I by no means tire of watching the middleweight title challenges to Hagler and Barkley. There’s a lot craft on show in each spherical. It nonetheless amazes me that Duran confronted a more-prime model of Hagler than his nemesis Sugar Ray Leonard and conqueror Tommy Hearns, and went 15 rounds with one of many biggest middleweights of all time.

Another nice matchup simply obtained booked between Joseph Diaz and Gary Russell, supporting the good mild heavyweight combat between Badou Jack and Adonis Stevenson. That’s a terrific doubleheader. The nice followers of Montreal deserve it. Showtime and all of the promoters concerned in bringing it collectively ought to take a bow. The fantastic factor about each matchups is that I actually don’t have a robust favourite in both.

I’m actually excited for this card and am personally feeling Jo Jo and Adonis, offering age hasn’t caught up with the latter. Stevenson appears to be like nicely preserved to me, and it’s not like he’s been in any grueling fights in recent times, however maybe his ridiculously mild schedule will chew him within the ass towards the hardnosed Jack, who’s by no means shied away from a stern problem. Diaz’s major edge in his first title problem is his exercise. Had Russell fought extra over the previous three years I’d firmly favor him on this matchup, however he appears simply tremendous with making once-a-year appearances, which makes me query his want. I do know Diaz is hungry. And he’s a battle-tested younger gun, having been in with card-carrying robust guys like Rene Alvarado, Andrew Cancio and Horacio Garcia, in addition to troublesome types (from Jayson Velez and Manuel Avila). However, he’s by no means confronted a technical pace demon with Russell’s stage of pure expertise. The Californian has his work reduce out for him.

I believe that highly effective left cross goes to pierce Jack’s guard and damage him actual unhealthy. I can see that occuring. Jack’s a badass however he’s not the defensive genius that his promoter is. And although technically sound, he’s very methodical, and these guys typically have hassle with superior athletes who field and punch off the cuff like Stevenson.

Jack’s changed into an excellent fighter although so he shouldn’t be counted out. Who are you selecting? If I’ve to make a decide, I’m going to go along with Jack. He’s not as proficient as Stevenson, however he’s stable throughout and he’s been working at a world-class stage in recent times, whereas “Superman” has simply been milking his WBC title and Al Haymon affiliation.

Also, do you assume GGG continues to be going to finish up preventing in May? That’s the plan of Team GGG and Tom Loeffler, not less than as of yesterday afternoon after they held a press luncheon in Los Angeles to announce that that they had no announcement to make – but. They made it clear that they need to carry the Big Drama Show to Cinco De Mayo. But they’ve to seek out the precise dance companion (Vanes Martirosyan seems to be the newest “front-runner” however that might change) and attempt to make a cope with the IBF, which is pushing for the Sergiy Derevyanchenko necessary. (Loeffler acknowledged that Dervyanchenko is a worthy challenger, however would he prefers that wonderful matchup to be constructed up slightly extra and for each middleweights have full camps to arrange for what would in all chance be a brutal battle of attrition.)

If you might be certain that he obtained to combat two of those 5 opponents, who would you select: Saunders, Derevianchenko, Charlo, Ramirez, or Jacobs 2? I might select Saunders (as a result of the English southpaw stylist might allow GGG to comprehend his dream of changing into the undisputed middleweight champ) and Derevyanchenko (as a result of I believe the Ukrainian presents the hardest bodily matchup for Golovkin). I’d like to see the opposite fights, too. Charlo and Ramirez might make for massive reveals in Texas and I’m fairly positive they’d be aggressive with GGG. And a Jacobs rematch is a pure for Madison Square Garden or Brooklyn’s Barclays Center.

 

JOSHUA-WILDER NEGOTIATIONS

Hi Doug,

I simply needed to move my ideas on the Joshua/Wilder negotiations. It appears there may be quite a lot of posturing from either side, every claiming to not have heard from the opposite and so on and so forth. Both questioning how a lot the opposite actually desires the combat. Is it simply me or ought to this be one of many best fights to make in boxing? Both fighters say they need the combat. Both can be found for now or ought to get an exemption for a unification bout. And each promotional groups work with one another, even when relations have frosted considerably over the past 6 months.

As I perceive it, Matchroom and Joshua supplied Wilder a £15 million flat charge to combat. Now lets take a look at the info. One fighter (Wilder) reported highest purse is round £3mil tops…. The different (Joshua) operates round £20 mil. Wilder has no unifications, Joshua has one and a half (I’m undecided the Klitsckho combat counts as a full unification). Wilder fights in entrance of 10,000 folks if I’m being beneficiant and Joshua fights in entrance of 80,000. Also Wilder has one belt, Joshua has three.

So forgive me however I don’t see what the massive fuss is about. If I used to be Wilder id say thanks for the extra £12 million that I’m getting along with my regular £3mill and after I knock your boy Joshua out, sick change into among the finest recognized stars in boxing, with large PPV potential and crossover attraction and the lions share of the rematch ought to there be a clause and/or urge for food for that combat.

Personally I believe Wilder has the facility to knock anybody out together with Joshua, however I believe its Joshua’s combat to lose. I believe he has extra general instruments and has a couple of means of successful the combat….. I’m undecided Wilder does.

Then ready within the wings you’ve gotten a sure Dillian Whyte. WBC #1 however not but necessary. I’m undecided Wilder pricing himself out of the combat with Joshua simply to should combat Whyte is the neatest transfer. Again I’m not saying Wilder wont beat Whyte, however I view the combat as 50/50 with Whyte having each likelihood of ripping the title from Wilder. Then Eddie Hearn merely makes Joshua v Whyte for all the belts.

Maybe I’m over simplifying issues, however then boxing typically over complicates them.

On one other be aware, have you ever ever thought of doing a “from the vault” version of the mailbag? I do know as a boxing fan I really like the nostalgic feeling of studying about boxing from instances passed by. I don’t know for those who hold outdated editions of the mailbag or if it might be an excessive amount of problem however it might be good to learn again over readers ideas and your replies on outdated boxing matters such because the fallout from epic fights, the lead as much as massive occasions and controversial moments like Margarito’s loaded gloves and many others. Just a thought.

Anyway, keep nicely Doug. All the perfect. – Callum from Kent, UK

That’s not a nasty thought, Callum. I’ve considered doing that for a few of my outdated Gym Notes columns (and even a few of my outdated Southern Cali. Notebooks from the HouseofBoxing and MaxBoxing years), as I did with the Golovkin-Canelo sparring session final yr, however I don’t know the way widespread such a “flashback feature” could be with the mailbag.

I believe there’s actually a whole lot of mailbags, relationship again to 2009, within the publishing software for the present RingTV.com website that I might repost with out an excessive amount of hassle. Questions I’ve for you is how far again ought to I am going? Should I select mailbags which have subject material much like what’s at present occurring in boxing (resembling massive fights falling out and negotiations for dream heavyweight matchups)? Should I attempt to repost mailbags on the five-, 10- or 15-year anniversaries of the fighters and fights which are coated in these explicit columns? Any suggestions you (or others) can provide me could be enormously appreciated.

I’m additionally fascinated by doing this for sure options that appeared within the pages of THE RING and KO Magazine.

My ideas on the Joshua/Wilder negotiations. It appears there may be quite a lot of posturing from either side, every claiming to not have heard from the opposite and so on and so forth. Yes certainly, which is to be anticipated. In reality, the prospect of a Joshua vs. Wilder showdown and the heated – and very public – negotiations which have solely simply begun is the duvet story for the next subject of THE RING. With Canelo-Golovkin at present on the shelf for who is aware of how lengthy, there was little question in our minds that the eye – and obsession – of the boxing world would flip to what must be an inevitable conflict for the undisputed heavyweight championship.

Both questioning how a lot the opposite actually desires the combat. That’s so rattling foolish. I believe each heavyweights need the combat. This is simply the enterprise of boxing holding up the game facet of it.

Is it simply me or ought to this be one of many best fights to make in boxing? If boxing was purely sport, it might occur this yr with out an excessive amount of posturing, however boxing is extra enterprise than sport and when the undisputed championship is on the road within the Glamor Division it’s NEVER EASY. It wasn’t straightforward to get Michael Spinks (the lineal and RING champ) to face Mike Tyson (holder of the WBC/WBA/IBF titles) 30 years in the past, and it wasn’t straightforward to get Evander Holyfield (WBA/IBF champ) to step in with Lennox Lewis (WBC beltholder) 19 years in the past. There’s an excessive amount of cash on the road, too many massive egos representing the fighters, in addition to battling community pursuits, for it to be “easy.”  

As I perceive it, Matchroom and Joshua supplied Wilder a £15 million flat charge to combat. Now lets take a look at the info. One fighter (Wilder) reported highest purse is round £3mil tops…. The different (Joshua) operates round £20 mil. That could also be true, however there’s extra potential cash to be made with Joshua-Wilder than Joshua’s earlier bouts (together with the Klitschko showdown), and Team Wilder desires a bit of that motion, not a flat charge.

Wilder has no unifications, Joshua has one and a half (I’m undecided the Klitsckho combat counts as a full unification). Wilder fights in entrance of 10,000 folks if I’m being beneficiant and Joshua fights in entrance of 80,000. Also Wilder has one belt, Joshua has three. All of that is true, and given these info, Team Wilder ought to acknowledge that Joshua is the “star” or “A-side” (God, how I hate that time period) of this matchup and negotiate accordingly, however they’ve obtained their delight and their going to carry off for the absolute best deal for their fighter (as a result of, as you already know, it’s simply as harmful for Wilder as it’s for Joshua).

If I used to be Wilder I’d say thanks for the extra £12 million that I’m getting along with my regular £3mill and after I knock your boy Joshua out, I’ll change into among the finest recognized stars in boxing, with large PPV potential and crossover attraction and the lion’s share of the rematch ought to there be a clause and/or urge for food for that combat. That’s what I might say, too. But guess what? You and I aren’t skilled fighters. We don’t climb inside that ring. We don’t give and take punches for a dwelling.

Then ready within the wings you’ve gotten a sure Dillian Whyte. And The Body Snatcher ain’t no joke.

WBC #1 however not but necessary. I’m undecided Wilder pricing himself out of the combat with Joshua simply to should combat Whyte is the neatest transfer. I agree, however once more, you and I will not be fighters. You and I most likely assume extra like a typical supervisor. The risk-versus-reward equation doesn’t work out with Whyte. It does with Wilder. So, we’d gladly swerve Dillian to get a shot at A.J. and final glory (and a s__tload of cash). But we ain’t fighters. We definitely ain’t a bona-fide puncher like Wilder. Maybe to Deontay all these potential heavyweight rivals look the identical – like dudes that he’s about to knock the f__k out.

 

LOVE ME SOME HURD

Hi Doug,

I pray you and your households are doing nicely. After the predictable glorified sparring classes not too long ago Joshua vs Parker, Spence vs Peterson, and Garcia vs Rios, it was good to lastly get an excellent combat the place you didn’t know who was going to win. I really like me some Hurd. I really like search and destroy fighters and he destroyed two of them that I hate and normally don’t watch, Trout and Lara. It was nice to look at him kick their butts and do it in a way more spectacular vogue then Canelo did.

I can’t wait for him and the Charlo twin. That goes to be World War three. I’d a lot somewhat see that combat then Canelo vs GGG which I’m glad will not be occurring. The rematch that must be going down is Jacobs’s vs GGG which was a significantly better combat.

I’ve been listening to folks saying they weren’t impressed with Joshua. I don’t get why he ought to take the blame for Parker stinking it out. It takes two to tangle and Parker needed no a part of Joshua. I don’t care to look at Lara however I knew he had coronary heart from watching the combat with Angulo. Thank god Fraud, Vladdy, Ward, Hopkins and Fury are gone and I pray they by no means return.

Guys like Hurd, Wilder, Joshua, Spence, Lomanchenko, Garcia and the Charlos are bringing some pleasure again to the game by boxing with a fighter’s mentality.

God bless and take care. – Blood and Guts from Phlly

The beauty of all the fan-friendly boxers you listed is that their ages vary from 27 to 32 (with Wilder being the oldest, however 32 continues to be prime years for a heavyweight), so we’ll seemingly get pleasure from watching them ply their brutal craft of their primes for the next three-to-four years. It’s a great time to be fan of fearless motion fighters.

There was quite a lot of give and take within the Hurd-Lara combat. Photo by Stephanie Trapp-SHOWTIME

I really like search and destroy fighters and he destroyed two of them that I hate and normally don’t watch, Trout and Lara. I wouldn’t use the phrase “destroyed” to explain what he did to Lara. That was a hotly contested combat, and Lara held up bodily till the ultimate rounds, and regardless of struggling a busted eye and getting dropped in Round 12, the Cuban grasp completed on his toes. I’m undecided “destroyed” is the precise phrase for the Trout combat both. Trout was ultimately overwhelmed by Hurd, however the veteran put palms on the youthful, more energizing, stronger fighter over the primary half of the combat.

It was nice to look at him kick their butts and do it in a way more spectacular vogue then Canelo did. I loved each fights very a lot, greater than I did with Canelo’s showdowns with each males. But needless to say Canelo confronted the undefeated model of Trout, who was coming off the most important win of his profession (the choice over Miguel Cotto), and he took on a closer-to-his-prime model of Lara.  

I can’t wait for him and the Charlo twin. That goes to be World War three. We’ll see. Hopefully we discover out this yr.

I’d a lot somewhat see that combat then Canelo vs GGG which I’m glad will not be occurring. Spoken like a real whacked-out hardcore head. I adore it.

The rematch that must be going down is Jacobs’s vs GGG which was a significantly better combat. I disagree. I believed Canelo-GGG was extra entertaining.

I’ve been listening to folks saying they weren’t impressed with Joshua. I don’t get why he ought to take the blame for Parker stinking it out. It takes two to tangle and Parker needed no a part of Joshua. It takes two NOT to tango. Parker was leery of Joshua and Joshua was glad about that.

I don’t care to look at Lara however I knew he had coronary heart from watching the combat with Angulo. Thank god Fraud, Vladdy, Ward, Hopkins and Fury are gone and I pray they by no means return. Fury is about to return on June 9. Don’t be shocked if Mayweather and Ward come again this yr.

 

FUN, BUT HURDLY GOOD

Hi!

So, Lara-Hurd places on a combat with a bit extra depth and drama than common, and everybody goes off as if we’ve seen the second coming of some legendary mauler grinding down an distinctive boxer per se? Sure, Lara is an efficient boxer, and positive, Hurd gave all he had of what he has – aggression, energy, relentlessness and, yeah, a capability to make the combat his type of combat.

Nothing, completely nothing, is to be taken away from him – nor from just about any man with the balls to step into the ring and danger his tooth, nostril, well being or life. Boxing hurts, actually hurts, and even at a low-grade newbie stage, to not point out with elite bangers handing it out. So, this isn’t a knock at Hurd, however on the response to his combat with Lara.

Maybe I’m only a grumpy man at 50 who’s been dwelling, following and watching this sport for too lengthy – since I first examine Ali-Foreman in ‘75 and began out myself – however, actually, is that this something to get enthusiastic about? Is this what and the place now we have come to? In that case, the game actually is in a sorry state.

Here’s the substance. I noticed a careless, sturdy man with unhealthy steadiness (I’m being good right here), punching with all arms and zero physique and/or leg behind. Punching, by the best way…he slaps, whips, hammers them in, and manages to each second or third punch get his toes in his personal means and thus find yourself on the incorrect distance and the incorrect angle. He met a much better boxer, who would’ve gained had he solely had the punching energy to earn him the respect of Hurd. Well, he didn’t, and Hurd basically ate him up. As I stated, all of the respect to Hurd for that – the person did what he might, and did it good – however let’s not act as if this in any means was…uh, good. It wasn’t. Fun, maybe.

It’s apparent Hurd lacks correct fundamentals, in addition to Lara’s fundamentals as an newbie generally works towards him. His response to Hurd slapping him with the within of the gloves was a typical response from a man who’s been educated in a superb newbie program since childhood.

Anyways, Hurd is enjoyable, and I’ll positive as hell hold watching. That being stated, questions how he would fare towards males like GGG is insane. For the sake of his mind, hold him as distant as doable. It could be like serving a canine to a tiger. That cheek-in-the-air-and-easy-to-hit model would make Golovkin salivate to the brink of drowning earlier than punching his foe to items.

Sorry for the rant, simply needed to get it out of my system. On one other be aware, I’ve been into Rocky Marciano of late, and considering how he would fare towards some late and extra fashionable names, he got here out as follows.

Marciano – Louis: Louis by clear UD, however not with out getting badly bruised by the Blockbusters haymakers.

Marciano – Liston: Marciano by KO. Marciano wouldn’t be intimidated by Liston, and Liston – as Tyson – by no means responded nicely to fighters who not solely didn’t freeze out of worry, but in addition stood their floor, spit as a lot as they ate, and simply saved coming.

Marciano – Foreman: Foreman feasted on aggressive little guys, and Marciano would have been hammered in methods he by no means had been earlier than.

Marciano – Tyson: Marciano by KO. After three rounds, the blitz of Tyson normally eased, he obtained much less artistic and technically sharp, and extra sluggish and, ultimately, outright drained. Marciano would have been round for greater than three rounds, and therefore a late and nasty KO.

Yeah, I do know – Marciano “too small”, Marciano “too short”, Marciano met oldtimers over the hill, and so on. Nah. Both Layne and LaStarza the place youthful than him, and the distinction between him and Charles had been simply 2 years, I believe. Sure, Moore was older, however some appear to assume Moore was all the time means over 40. Well, he wasn’t. He was an amazing present from the gods of boxing, and he was completely assured he would faculty the powerhouse – and, like everybody else, discovered what it means making an attempt to resist an onslaught for 15 rounds (within the few circumstances they made it the space) by one of many hardest punchers in historical past. Marciano might appear impolite and crude, however most of all his boxing (method, footwork, ways) was all about performance and pragmatism.

Your ideas? And whereas considering, I ship my regards and needs to you and all of the readers all the perfect. Just gotta love this brutal, lovely sport of ours, don’t we? – Johnny, Sweden

Yes certainly, Johnny. Thanks for sharing your ideas.

I have to level out to you, nonetheless, that just about all the things you stated about Hurd was written about Marciano (by overly essential sports activities scribes of his period) through the early phases of his profession.

And you already know what? They had been RIGHT! Marciano was a careless clubber out of the newbie ranks, and thus was a long-term venture for coach Charley Goldman. The Rock didn’t combat a legit top-10 contender till he met Roland LaStarza in his 26th professional bout (and many observers thought he misplaced that 10 rounder). Before and after the primary LaStarza combat, Marciano was taken the 10-round distance by gatekeeper Ted Lowry, who troubled the stalking puncher.

Marciano didn’t face his second ranked fighter (Rex Layne) till his 36th professional bout. He didn’t face the pale Joe Louis till his 38th combat.

Keep in thoughts that Hurd, who had a restricted newbie profession, has solely fought 22 skilled bouts. He’s obtained a proper to develop and be taught his craft at his personal tempo identical to Marciano. (Had you been round to see Marciano’s 21st professional bout towards Lowry, you might need merely thought of him to be a “fun fighter” as a substitute of the all-time nice that he was destined to change into. Food for thought, eh?)

By the best way, I believe prime Liston would have stopped prime Marciano on cuts.

Maybe I’m only a grumpy man at 50 who’s been dwelling, following and watching this sport for too lengthy – Maybe? How about positively! LOL.

But, actually, is that this something to get enthusiastic about? Um, yeah, it’s.

Is this what and the place now we have come to? Yes, clearly.

In that case, the game actually is in a sorry state. No, it isn’t. It’s simply not so good as it was in earlier eras/a long time, however that doesn’t imply it completely sucks.

As I stated, all of the respect to Hurd for that – the person did what he might, and did it good – however let’s not act as if this in any means was…uh, good. It wasn’t. Fun, maybe. Fun is nice sufficient for me. I don’t assume everyone that places on a pair of gloves as an expert has to have elite-level boxing expertise/talent or aspire to be within the pound-for-pound rankings of a bunch of nerd-fans.

Anyways, Hurd is enjoyable, and I’ll positive as hell hold watching. You gained’t be the one one, brotha!

That being stated, questions how he would fare towards males like GGG is insane. Who’s the goofball that’s suggesting that? Hurd’s obtained his work reduce out for him with Jermell Charlo. That’s the one future matchup for him that anybody must be considering bout.

For the sake of his mind, hold him as distant as doable. It could be like serving a canine to a tiger. I agree, not less than for now, however a couple of extra years and a dozen or so extra fights beneath Hurd’s belt might change my opinion.

 

 

Email Fischer at dougie@boxingmailbag.com. Follow him on Twitter at @dougiefischer

 

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